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Hello, I am sure we all have noticed this disballance in pvp, where even 1 of this healing character can make a lot of chaos. For example full-healing healer: tons of shields, plate armor, cc's and a lot of healing spells that he can use on himself. This makes him almost unkillable.
It's not a uncommon to see this healing characters completely owning another characters in pvp, that have even 10k more gs. We can often see testing their "unkillabness" in arenas. Not even anger is helping and now it's even more unfair since there are guild rubies that heals a stunned character, so you are not even able to kill them in combination with stuns.
This characters completely overshadow certain characters such as archers, bards and even a warriors in their own close-range fight.
I don't think that this is right. So thats why I've come up with this suggestion of only one self healing spell that is different for each character.

Healer: Spell that restores 75% health of maximum health. Cooldown 1 minute. It applys a negative buff on the character that stacks up 4 times, called Selfishness. Each stack of this negative buff decreases it's self-healing power by 25%.
So for example, it heals by 75%, 50%, 25% and 10% at 4th stack of this effect. This negative buff dissapears after 2 minutes or after leaving a combat. Wound don't have effect on this.

Summy: They are vampires and reanimators, so I suggest healing spell that heals over time for 1,2 and 4% of maximum health per second, depends on number of placed parasites on the enemy. Parasite spell has cd 10s. Regeneration is affected by wound, but there is always min. 1%/sec.

Warden: Healing potion that heals for 50% of maximum health. CD 5 sec, and time to cast 1.5 sec, so they need actually to stay still. It applys a negative buff on the character called Addiction for 1:30 minute, that stacks up 10 times, and resets back to 1:30min each time he use this healing pot. Each stack of this negative buff decreases it's healing power by 30%, 10% and 5%, so it goes 50, 20, 10, 5, 5, 5, 5.. up to 10 stack. If character drinks this healing pot again, it will hurt him for 10% of maximum health each time he drink. Wound affects it's healing power.

All of this characters can obtain their self-healing spells at 10 level at their trainers.
I think this will make PvP more fair. They still can be healed by another healing character so I don't see problem in this.

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Methinks you have a biased opinion gained through random battleground skirmishes and/or cash shop.

Well, isn't this the way on what we should base our opinions? Analising PvP in arenas and bg's, 1v1 fights. It's called practice. I often see healers owning characters that have same cash shop items and a lot higher gs. Can't simply dps them, neither cc them to death becouse they regenerate from guild rubies.
Healer vs Warden is not competent example. They are both healing characters. And we all know that wardens are good in this patch.

Actually BG and 1v1 fights are the best source. If healer can kill you with 100% health at the end, then something is wrong. If healer with lower can tank 3 players, then something is wrong.
Healer is just... healer - team support, its not a Boss that you need focus with whole team. He should be killable 1v1. Everyone should be killable 1vs1. Healers supports team, team supports healer. Thats how it should be.. well if Healer is not focused on dps.
Thats why I suggest only 1 healing spell for these characters so they can't heal infinitely.

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You won't be able to 1v1 a healer.

Thats what I wan't change. Healing characters are almost unbeatable. Healing aspect is fine for sacrifice of their dps, but they shouldnt be anything like bosses that whole your team has to focus on.
And I am also not talking only about full-healers. The problem is, that they can do nice dps, cc you, fill you with negative buffs and on top of all of this they are also healing! Result - healer wins with 100% heals.
You know, there is my example: I am a warrior 74k gs with flawless pvp build on defender aspect (yes i believe in this build that much), there is a melee healer 64k gs, similar runes and patronage. I can spam 40% heal reduction but almost with no effect, and deal nice damage. My problem is, that HEALER can kill me on my own playground and leave with 100% health while his health havent dropped under 50% for whole fight.
I am not fighting againt summys, healers and wardens anymore since they can dps me and constantly throw healing spell on themselves. There is no point.
As I am saing. Everybody should be beatable 1vs1. There shouldnt be any exceptions for these characters no matter what aspect they have.

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Link the build so i can trashtalk it please.

http://www.allodswiki.ru/calc/#!1!113..3…vnslhe/RQLEUURZ

Go on, I am not worried. Also my stats are based on physical damage and critical damage.

@Aionwen: I do not accept your fallacy, so your reference about Hello Kitty is irrelevant.
Role of healers is keeping 5 morons alive, as you said. But the role of these 5 morons should be keeping healer alive. What you just wrote does not make any sence. You know this is fine. What is not fine is healers dps build that can overshadow non-healing characters and win with full health.
Healer has a lot of shields + plate armor + he would have 1 self-healing spell as I suggest, that is enought. And now he can almost fully heal with guild healing ruby while he is cc'ed!

@Bluescarlet:
1. Astral: s1 is possible to go all throught withour a single healer. In s2 you have 1 healer + 1 helping secondary healer anyway
Raids: 2 raids, there are defenitely more healers than 2 + some secondary healers.
2. Full-healer trully does not do much damage, but there are hybrids too! Melee healers rises and they can deal decent damage and got a lot of healing spells, stuns and shield.
3. I see you havent played warrior yet. Assault aspect is useless, unless you have 13 runes and 80k gs, or you are exping. Everything on warrior is based on defenders aspect.

@ALLODS-ONLINE-PLAYER:
Yeah I've been thinking about making palla with assault aspect and shield that are just ridiculously op in 7.0. I could do the same in 6.0, but I won't change the class just becouse I know that that one is better. I like my warrior

@Gibe: I will think about adding that ruby in my 2nd tank build.

Ok and what about if Healers could self heal with that 1 spell if they use any other aspect than healing aspect?
Btw why did we stuck on Healer only?

I don't understand your point about s2. It all would stay the same. Currently there is at least 1 full healer and 1 support heal in s2 parties. This wouldnt change. Raids wouldn't change too. It would stay the same. Healers would have 1 self healing spell and if its not enought, there is always 1 more healer in the raid and some characters with support heal spell.
PvE with this wouldnt be a problem at all.
Yeah I clearly can see you havent played warrior yet. Just for you-assault aspect on warrior is one big dissapoitment. You can dps too in defender aspect. Any warrior will confirm that. It's good for exping only. If some warrior jumped on you with this assault aspect, he probably had 79-80k gs becouse he can afford this.

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but in general from what i see your point in general is not the healing aspect right?

right. I have problem that healing characters wins a fights with 100% hp at the end, becouse of a lot of effective healing spells. They should be equal to any other character if they are not fully-heal with very low damage.

Dude, you clearly have no idea what are you talking about, regarding to a warrior. It also looks like you are ignoring all what we are writing you about warrior. Again exclusively for you: ASSAULT ASPECT IS USELESS- you got it?? Thats all you have to know about warrior if you dont play it. End of story.
Also we already have made a progress and agree that healer with healing aspect could stay same so there would be no change in PvE. Different it would be for Healers that uses assault or support aspect, that are unfair compared to other non-healing characters.

I am not even expecting any change to be done about this becouse the problems with summys and healers was there for very long time and warden is problem too. I just want to make some noise about it!!